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Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:18 am
by Cacophony
Grand Moff Larkin wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:55 pm
Huberdeau gets 10.5 x 8 from Calgary

:nyquist:
Welcome to the Coyotes (in 2027)

Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:19 am
by Cacophony
For Treveling that is huge “next guys problem” energy

Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:44 am
by nick
Allan Walsh sure knows how to get a deal for his client from a team desperate to show the fanbase that "hey, we haven't given up!"

Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:32 am
by Alexei Ca$hin
I mean he's the exact same age as Gaudreau, scored the exact same number of points last year, got the exact same contract that Gaudreau was offered. (yes but it doesn't kick in for a year) That's how much it costs to re-sign these type of players.

I think that's amazing work by Treliving to make the best out of a bad situation that was completely out of his control.

Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:29 pm
by Grand Moff Larkin
It's how much it costs to re-sign these players, but I keep thinking about Florida's motivation to trade Huberdeau in the first place, which was initially a surprise. Given that top salaries are more or less flat between stars, superstars, and the truly elite, which of these type of players you sign matters a great deal, and I think Florida looked at their playoff performance the last few years and wondered "Are we going to win a Cup (not just a lot of regular season games) if we're paying Jonathan Huberdeau 10 mill a year?" That's the kind of hard question that you have to ask if you're going to get over the hump. I honestly don't know if the Panthers are closer to a Cup with Tkachuk vs. Huberdeau and Weegar, but Tkachuk's a lot younger and they'd only be able to afford both of those guys for one more year. It's the sort of move that takes a lot of courage for a GM to make -- reminds me of the Coffey + Primeau for Shanahan deal.

The Gaudreau/Huberdeau thing doesn't quit sit square with me for a few reasons. First, you knew how Gaudreau fit with the Flames (granted, Tkachuk was there), whereas Huberdeau hasn't played a game with them yet. Sometimes players just don't fit right with a team, and in ideal circumstances, you'd find out how he's working before you give him 84 million dollars. These aren't ideal circumstances, of course, and it would have been a huge distraction if Treliving hadn't gotten at least one of Huberdeau or Weegar signed long-term -- they couldn't hit the deadline wondering if they were going to lose him for nothing. So I'll look past that to a degree. Second, Huberdeau and Gaudreau are the same age, but I'm a lot more comfortable with the Beej getting Gaudreau for 7 years (ages 29-35) than the Flames getting Huberdeau for 8 (30 through 37). How's Huberdeau going to do when he's 36 and making 10.5 mill?

Going back to the first point, I just wonder if this is a move Calgary makes because they absolutely could not lose another star player instead of this move will bring us closer to a Cup than we were last year. I can't fault Treliving for making this trade -- it's way better than any other proposed package I saw -- and once you make the deal, you have to sign him to a contract, and yeah, the contract is essentially pre-determined. So it's an interesting set of DOMINOES going back to Gaudreau leaving. For me it comes back to "Is Jonathan Huberdeau the guy I'd want to spend 10.5 million on until he's 37?"

Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:46 pm
by Alexei Ca$hin
But again, you can't discount that it costs an extra year and an extra $1M for any high end player to sign in Calgary. That's the same deal that Gaudreau was offered to stay in Calgary, not what he got on the open market.

Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:48 pm
by Grand Moff Larkin
Mel Pearson's out at the University of Michigan, not a surprise

Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:49 pm
by Alexei Ca$hin
On another note, my son was on the ice with Drouin yesterday.

There's a group of pros that train before the Bantam age group. Drouin stayed on and passed around and did a couple drills with the Bantams. Very cool.

Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:58 pm
by Alexei Ca$hin
14-15 year old kids can be real dicks btw.

"Hope you didn't fist bump Drou too hard, he might be out for another season"

"Hope Drou didn't fist bump you too hard, you might fucking suck now"

Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:02 pm
by Grand Moff Larkin
Alexei Ca$hin wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:46 pm
But again, you can't discount that it costs an extra year and an extra $1M for any high end player to sign in Calgary. That's the same deal that Gaudreau was offered to stay in Calgary, not what he got on the open market.
That's probably true, and another thing they can't really control. In hindsight, fans grumbling about McDavid not taking more of a hometown discount to stay in Edmonton (or to a lesser extent, the cost of Nurse's extension) probably needed to factor that in.

For Calgary, it probably comes down to either:

Door one: You extend Huberdeau long-term, your division isn't particularly good right now so maybe you're able to get to the conference finals and get lucky against Colorado. You have some good prospects but no one who's destined to be a star, so it's not like you're likely to have to pay any of them 10 million. You're a contender / fringe contender for a few years, and if you're Brad Treliving, you keep your job (until you're no longer a fringe contender, at which point you'll be fired).

Door two: You don't extend Huberdeau, and your options are either A. make a last run at it and then lose him for nothing in free agency (after which you will 100% be fired) B. trade him 50% retained at the deadline for a package of futures and kick off either a retool or a rebuild (during which you'll almost certainly be fired). If they just traded Huberdeau for futures, I think they'd still be in the playoff mix, so maybe they'd have to tear it down to get top lottery guys.

Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:06 pm
by Grand Moff Larkin
Alexei Ca$hin wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:58 pm
14-15 year old kids can be real dicks btw.

"Hope you didn't fist bump Drou too hard, he might be out for another season"

"Hope Drou didn't fist bump you too hard, you might fucking suck now"
Brutal, that was nice of Drouin to stick around and the odds of any of them being as good as he is seem incredibly low

But I doubt I had much perspective at that age

Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:15 pm
by Alexei Ca$hin
They're just being idiot teenagers. They were all legit stoked and will remember that forever.

The other thing... I didn't see any of it, but Drouin was on with a group of real pros/prospects and the kids all said he was far and away superior to everyone else. Like not even close.

Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:33 pm
by Grand Moff Larkin
I’ve never doubted Drouin’s skills, just his health and… COMPETE LEVEL

Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:35 pm
by Grand Moff Larkin
People like second-guessing the BLOT taking him over Seth Jones but I don’t think it was unreasonable at the time.

Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:50 pm
by Grand Moff Larkin
The best part of Huberdeau extending in Calgary is how it crushes the overly optimistic dreams of Habs fans who’d slotted him and PLD on their team

Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:55 pm
by Grand Moff Larkin
These are fucking horrible and Dom should be ashamed


Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:33 pm
by Grand Moff Larkin
Patches tore his Achilles and is out six months after surgery

Bet Vegas wishes they’d kept him instead of getting nothing in return

Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:01 am
by Alexei Ca$hin
Lol at Vegas fans somehow thinking they are better off now. (no, you still gave away assets for nothing)

Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:03 am
by Alexei Ca$hin
Also, this must have just happened. The guy Jr's crew has been training with was just in Vegas working with Pac a couple weeks ago.

Re: Thee Official 2022 Offseason Thread: Where Yzerman Is a Viking

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:10 am
by Cacophony
Woah, wonder if it happened during on ice workouts or if it was some weird freak injury?