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Which RFA compensation system do you prefer
Option 1 - Slight change 29%  29%  [ 2 ]
Option 2 - Total overhaul 71%  71%  [ 5 ]
Option 3 - It's fine the way it is 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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 Post subject: Rule Changes - VOTE NOW
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:30 pm 
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Vote for a new RFA compensation system!

Here are two possible compensation systems.

1. A slight modification of the old system, just increasing the compensation at the high end.

$7 annual cap hit or less: 5th round pick
$8 - $11: 4th round pick
$12 - $15: 3rd round pick
$16 - $19: 2nd round pick
$20 - $27: 1st round pick
$28 - $35: 1st and 2nd round picks
$36 and higher: Two 1st round picks

2. Total overhaul of the system, increasing compensation at all levels.
$3 annual cap hit or lower: 5th round pick
$4 - $7: 4th round pick
$8 - $11: 3rd round pick
$12 - $15: 2nd round pick
$16 - $19: 2nd and 3rd round picks
$20 - $24: 1st round pick
$25 - $29: 1st and 2nd round picks
$30 and higher: Two 1st round picks


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 Post subject: Re: 2016/17 Stat Category Changes
PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:37 pm 
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I'm gonna post this here instead of starting a new thread. Someone brought up that we should consider retooling the draft pick compensations for offersheets. I agree that they could be retooled, here is a crack at a new compensation structure:

$3 annual cap hit or lower: 5th round pick
$4 - $7: 4th round pick
$8 - $11: 3rd round pick
$12 - $15: 2nd round pick
$16 - $19: 1st round pick
$20 - $24: 1st + 2nd round picks
$25 - $29: 1st + 1st round picks
$30 and higher: 1st + 1st + 1st round picks

Let me know your thoughts on this, we can look at implementing it for next season


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 Post subject: Re: 2016/17 Stat Category Changes
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:26 am 
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Yeah, I think that's more inline with the current salaries w/r/t superstars, etc


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 Post subject: Re: 2016/17 Stat Category Changes
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:26 am 
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My initial gut feeling is that everything is better here up until $25+, as I don't know if anyone's going to be willing to give up two straight 1st rounders for anyone?


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 Post subject: Re: 2016/17 Stat Category Changes
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I can see that point but I would argue that someone like Erik Karlsson is probably worth that but the best I could get in an offer sheet is the 1st + 2nd.

Could maybe use some slight adjustment, as I know the point is to encourage more offers here. Keep in mind that $25 is 10% of a team's cap, which is a lot on one player.

I'd like to look at the UFA auction from last year and see how those salaries fell to be sure. I think we should try to align these offer sheets with how much the best players in UFA get.


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 Post subject: Re: 2016/17 Stat Category Changes
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:55 am 
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It's going to be largely dependent on where the person is picking that year and the player involved. Kesse threw around offersheets because he has cap space and is picking last in each round.

I can think of at least five players coming up on RFA status who would be worth either a $25 or a $30 offersheet


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 Post subject: Re: 2016/17 Stat Category Changes
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Here are the top 5 most expensive UFAs from the last auction

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1. Phil Kessel (Pit - RW) $32 40-Year Old Vernon
2. Ryan Getzlaf (Anh - C) $27 Pierre Marc Douchard
3. Claude Giroux (Phi - C,RW) $35 Suddenly Zyuzin
4. Henrik Lundqvist (NYR - G) $28 Pierre Marc Douchard
9. Mark Giordano (Cgy - D) $21 falloone mindstate


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 Post subject: Re: 2016/17 Stat Category Changes
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:06 pm 
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Upcoming RFAs who I expect will command big offersheets:

McDavid
Eichel
Kuznetsov
Gaudreau
Klingberg

I'm pretty sure that anyone not holding 1st overall would be willing to give up either 2 or 3 straight 1st round picks for these players, especially when you take age into account.


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 Post subject: Re: 2016/17 Stat Category Changes
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Fair points

As an exercise, these are the past 4 years' worth of guys who were bid on at $20 or more (where $20 - 27 meant giving up one first rounder):

Karlsson @ $35
LeTang the Astronaut Drink for Astronauts to Drink in Space @ $25
Rask @ $35
Seguin @ $20
Tavares @ $27
Kessel @ $24
Price @ $27
Subban @ $27
Varlamov @ $23
Doughty @ $22
Holtby @ $20
Tarasenko @ $23
Kucherov @ $20
Karlsson @ $40


I'm not sure exactly what it tells us that only three times has someone been willing to give up a 1st rounder + (and to two only guys -- Karlsson really is the best) but maybe that's totally fine for our purposes?


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 Post subject: Re: 2016/17 Stat Category Changes
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(Pretty into that new LeTang the Astronaut Drink for Astronauts to Drink in Space word replacement)


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 Post subject: Re: 2016/17 Stat Category Changes
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Good points nick. Sutterman threw $40 at Quick in 2012 as an FYI.

I think that we're seeing a change to the league. GMs are far more conservative with their spending now than when the league began, and we are finally rid of all of those ridiculous contracts from year one. However, the best players in the league (especially the young ones) are still going to command massive salaries. $35 for Giroux is a ton of money, but I expect we see 4-5 players go in auction for $30-$40. Giving up draft picks stings, but if you are picking in the back half of the 1st round, I don't think it particularly matters all that much. I believe that you can be terrible at drafting (or just not have any picks) and still put together a championship team based on the league size, salary structure, and offersheet system.

There was a ton of offersheet participation this year, which was great to see. The point of restructuring isn't to discourage people from giving out offersheets but to make sure that GMs are better compensated should they choose not to match. I agree that the highest of the highest end values are a bit extreme and maybe need some tweaking, but it's complicated. I think the biggest issue here is that there is a huge variability in return.... suppose McDavid was an RFA this year. Kesse has essentially unlimited cap space right now and the 12th overall pick. He can easily throw a $35-$40 offersheet at McDavid, still build a good team for this year by dominating the auction, and I would have been unable to match, leaving me with the 12th and 24th overall picks in return. Obviously, that would be a lot less painful if Matthews or Laine were part of the equation, but they're not; I would be looking at Jake Bean and Brett Howden. That's a pretty terrible return and I think it represents a huge flaw in the system. It's not that I have been irresponsible with my spending or anything, but I had zero UFAs this season (aside from injury replacements and buyouts), leaving me with almost zero cap flexibility. Teams with lots of turnover can prey on teams with little turnover.

I don't know what to do about it yet, I'm just trying to give a bit of context.


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 Post subject: Re: 2016/17 Stat Category Changes
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To be fair, I spent that $32 on Kessel because I knew he was destined to be a Champ


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 Post subject: Re: 2016/17 Stat Category Changes
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Just going to bump this. I swear it has nothing to do with McDavid becoming an RFA


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 Post subject: Re: Rule Changes
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Would welcome some input from everyone. I think that what I proposed up there is too extreme at the high end.

It would be great to maybe vote on a new one.


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 Post subject: Re: Rule Changes
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Three firsts seems like a lot, how am I going to draft the next Michael Dal Colle if I don't have a first?


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 Post subject: Re: Rule Changes
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Here are two possible compensation systems.

1. A slight modification of the old system, just increasing the compensation at the high end.

$7 annual cap hit or less: 5th round pick
$8 - $11: 4th round pick
$12 - $15: 3rd round pick
$16 - $19: 2nd round pick
$20 - $27: 1st round pick
$28 - $35: 1st and 2nd round picks
$36 and higher: Two 1st round picks

2. Total overhaul of the system, increasing compensation at all levels.
$3 annual cap hit or lower: 5th round pick
$4 - $7: 4th round pick
$8 - $11: 3rd round pick
$12 - $15: 2nd round pick
$16 - $19: 2nd and 3rd round picks
$20 - $24: 1st round pick
$25 - $29: 1st and 2nd round picks
$30 and higher: Two 1st round picks

Vote for your favourite in the OP


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 Post subject: Re: Rule Changes - VOTE NOW
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 2:43 pm 
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I like option 2 (or at least the idea of total overhaul) but how would this work? "$3 annual cap hit or lower: 5th round pick"

They already will be qualified at $3 since that's the rookie salary. I suppose the one case would be where you sign them in UFA auction (but they're still RFA eligible) at $1 or $2? Seems highly unlikely.


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 Post subject: Re: Rule Changes - VOTE NOW
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 2:48 pm 
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it's an unlikely scenario, but we seem to have a few guys like that each year. this year we have:

Kevin Hayes - $1
Nino Niederreiter - $2


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 Post subject: Re: Rule Changes - VOTE NOW
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feel free to propose tweaks to the overhaul as well


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 Post subject: Re: Rule Changes - VOTE NOW
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:56 pm 
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I would like for the offersheet period to run between June 1 and 14 so I'll give you all the rest of May to vote and suggest tweaks to the system


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 Post subject: Re: Rule Changes - VOTE NOW
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:41 pm 
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I ended up voting for option 2 as the data backed it up!


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 Post subject: Re: Rule Changes - VOTE NOW
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 10:14 pm 
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i voted slight change but maybe add one more 1st for mcdavid specifically (not really)


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